So the Charlton boss has to mouth off after the match; whereas CC mentioned that both sides would have felt unhappy, Pardew seems to have gone on a crusade and obviously feels that the only reason Charlton didn’t win was because the dice were loaded against his team by the man in black. Listen to both managers here. Then, in this interview, Pardew talks about Kelvin Wilson’s reprieve:
“I don’t want to see any players sent off but, by the letter of the law, he was the last man. Wes Morgan would not have got across to catch Varney,”
Hmmm, sounds to me more like, “I don’t want to see any players sent off, but he should have been sent off”. I too think that Kelvin probably could have walked, but you should choose your words more carefully.
If the above point is just me being pedantic, then I think this proves that Pardew is taking things to extremes; he is suggesting that teams should ignore the “Respect” agenda to which all clubs have subscribed:
“Do we need to put the referee under pressure to make him give decisions that are the right ones?”
The “right ones”? For whom? However, this is the one that really takes the biscuit:
“My teams play with discipline.”
You mean like Luke Varney, falling over at the slightest nudge then getting up to moan at the referee about it? Or maybe like Nicky Bailey, who would have had a decent match for the Addicks, had he not spend half of it on the floor? Or what about Grant Basey, who was seemingly destined for A&E after his clash with Matt Thornhill, but was fine after just a minute of treatment on the sidelines?
Let’s get this straight, the referee was poor, and made bad decisions – against both teams (witness Chris Cohen having five fouls given against him, despite the fact that he barely made a challenge; or maybe Matt Thornhill being booked for winning the ball in the air).
Just like there should be consequences for the referee, I hope that what goes around, comes around for Alan Pardew if he continues to spout rubbish like this.
On a separate issue, Pardew also seems to claim that Chris Cohen was the best player on the pitch – as a direct result of the fact that he was introduced to the West Ham first team by … Alan Pardew.
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Also, according to Graham Poll (not the world’s best authority but better than you, me or most managers) states that being the last man is irrelevant when it comes to red cards – it is not mentioned once in the rule book.
Instead the phrase used is “preventing a goal-scoring opportunity”; don’t know that it makes much difference in Wilson’s case but if you are going to quote the rule book you should be sure that you are quoting the real thing and not just common hearsay.
shut up mate
cafc, presumably you mean pardew “shut up mate”?
OMG you must be really desperate for articles, lets keep this forest related and not worry about there manager, this is embarrasing to read, he speaks the truth tbh.
pardew should think before he speaks?, you would have been moaning if it was the other way around all you’re doing is complaining that your players were hard done by and that according to you the referee did nothing but give decisions against you we should have had a penalty and you should have had a sending off, no offence to other nottingham forest fans you played well against us and i hope you have a good season,
obviously you’re the only idiot talking rubbish, listen to your own advice
Pardew has to be right. Respect must be earned, so standards have to improve. Example the nonsense in the Watford game. We are all capable of making mistakes but it requires a degree of honesty after the event when it is proved a mistake has been made. It is the FA who need to get a grip on the situation, together with Hackett(who in my humble opinion was a p..s poor ref). Imagine how the Watford fans must feel.What a perverse decision by the FA.
Thanks to those of you who took the time to respond, including such well-reasoned responses such as “shut up” and calling me an idiot – clearly not advocates of the Respect agenda themselves.
I suppose the point I am trying to make is that it is unedifying to see a manager going on and on about it after the match. I agree with Crankie that respect should be earned, but the whole point of this agenda is that refs aren’t going to change their minds just because they get yelled at, so they shouldn’t be hounded by the players and managers.
As for what happened in the match itself, I am well-aware of the fact that many decisions went against Charlton (and have clearly stated this above), so am not accusing the ref of being biased against Forest – he was just rubbish. I felt particularly sorry for Charlton number 4 Bailey, who was the victim of a “sympathy” booking just after Thornhill’s red card – two wrongs do not make a right.
I still think that Pardew was talking nonsense when claiming that his team play with “discipline”.
cafc if it had been boxing The ref would have called it off after 20 minutes to save you from any further punishment !
You were lucky to get away with a point, apart from the Andy Gray header you offered very little.
Be gratefull for stealing a point you didn’t deserve.
Pardew’s an idiot. His players showed no respect at all, diving when brushed against, rolling around in ‘agony’ until securing a booking for their opponents, mithering the referee constantly… I would be ashamed if our players conducted themselves like that (and was, when we had Grant Holt doing it!).
On the Wilson issue, I was expecting a red card – he was fortunate that (a) Varney was some distance from goal, so you couldn’t definitely say it was a goal scoring opportunity and (b) Wes did cleverly continue running across after the incident which probably did make him appear to be covering.
That said, Wilson could and probably should have been booked a second time in the second half. But then again, Thornhill was unfortunate in both bookings he received, in my opinion. All in all, the referee was an idiot, however I do think Charlton benefitted more than they suffered from his poor control of the game.
Pardew should be grateful for the point, because if we’d taken our chances he wouldn’t have had that.
We’ve already said that we were surprised that Wilson stayed on the field (both first and second half) – but Thornhill shouldn’t have been booked (probably either time) and our players had some honesty about them, unlike the Charlton ones.
And @NFFC:
Hahahaha!!! That’s just Wes having the control and turning circle of an oil tanker.
I haven’t seen any highlights, however if our players are throwing themselves to the floor at the slighest contact, I would be both very surprised and annoyed.
Can’t comment on the bookings and subsequent red card, but Pardew does say it how he sees it, which not many managers do. He will also publicly blast our players if he feels they deserve it….been quite often over the past couple of years!!
Good luck for the rest of the season….except at The Valley!
I think Pardew was entitled to be unhappy. The ref was useless for both sides but two of his mistakes were particularly costly to Charlton (one cost a penalty and the other cost Charlton playing against 10 men for a large part of the game). I won’t argue that Forest were not the better team (definitely in the first half hour at least) but football isn’t boxing and it is about who scores most goals not who deserves to win!
If the boot was on the other foot, I would have fully understood Calderwood being equally unhappy.
To Arry – it wasn’t your whole team, but Varney and Bailey did seem quite willing to fall over. Shame, they are both decent players.
Muttley – you hit upon the other point I was making – Pardew seems to be on a crusade of saying “we were robbed”, whereas CC actually said in his post-match interview (follow the links above) that “both sides were playing against 12″.
Given the nature of the refereeing, a draw was fair. I should also point out that I haven’t commented on the penalty decision because I didn’t see it from where I was sitting.
Maybe this whole issue also highlights that our players and manager are still a bit naive at this level – when refs are so easily fooled (see the Burnley game last week), maybe we are fooling ourselves by sticking to our “beautiful game” principles?
I am a charlton fan and wish that Pardew would keep his trap shut, maybe we were hard done by but he seems to think this increasingly after every game. At the end of the day we should not be relying on playing against 10 men to beat teams. He has spent enough money since being here to win anyway. Refs do make mistakes but then so does Pardew with his often inept tactics in just about every game.
Rish – You say you didn’t see the penalty…..sounds like you have the skills to be a ref!
Only joking -good luck for Saturday!